Israel's 'Crimes Against Humanity'

News Type: Event — Seeded on Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:39 PM EST

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I think this paragraph sums it up pretty well

The U.N. special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, former Princeton University law professor Richard Falk, calls what Israel is doing to the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza "a crime against humanity." Falk, who is Jewish, has condemned the collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza as "a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention." He has asked for "the International Criminal Court to investigate the situation, and determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law."

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cyregray

Please note: I intend to keep the conversation on topic, hijacking the thread, or defamation will be deleted. Thank you.

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#1 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:40 PM EST

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krishna-167929

Please note: I intend to keep the conversation on topic, hijacking the thread, or defamation will be deleted. Thank you.

You make some good points here. And-- is good to see that you are committed to appropriately monitoring this conversation thread.

Btw... comment #2.1 is definitely defamatory (perhaps you missed that?). In any event, as you have mentioned that defamatory comments will be deleted...please don't forget to delete comment #2.1.

Thanks :-)

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5 votes

#1.1 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:59 PM EST

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Eric Albert

Cryegray:

I thought it was a violation to call critics of Israeli policies "anti semites"? Today on Democracy NOW, Amy Goodman, Jewish but not ZIONIST, nationalist apologist, addressed the issue of Falk and Israel and Israel's crimes.

Here is the link:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/17/days_after_calling_israeli_blockade_of

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#1.2 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:30 PM EST

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krishna-167929

ZIONIST, nationalist apologist,

Eric-- one again you show your lack of knowledge about what we stand for. Zionism is not about what you claim.

"Readers of this columbine" (& various & sundry others, both readers & non-readers alike): If you want to know the facts about Zionism, please read this most excellent article-- right here on Newsvine!

Zionism is bigger and simpler than an ideology. It is a common belief amongst many ideological groups that Israel should exist. Why they believe this, how they believe it should be sustained or carried out--that is where the difference comes. Those differences manifest themselves in government policies, and that is where the criticism should lie--with Israeli Government policy, not with Zionism.

The article is here

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#1.3 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:39 PM EST

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cyregray

Btw... comment #2.1 is definitely defamatory (perhaps you missed that?). In any event, as you have mentioned that defamatory comments will be deleted...please don't forget to delete comment #2.1.

Again, off-topic, the comment is not defamatory, it's a spot on analysis of artiea's postings on my recent seeds. See #2.7

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#1.4 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST

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aRTieA

This appears to be a duplicate posting so I will repeat the comment I made on the original.

This guy Richard Falk is apparently an anti-semite who has yet to take issue with the atrocities that Hamas is performing. Perhaps he is on the Hamas payroll. He is anything but objective and therefore an obstacle to peace. Like in your reply, how do you deliver food and medicine, etc. when Hamas is targeting the crossings.
And by the way, why is there no issue with Egypt who has a closed border with GAZA. Brethren who don't give a sh*t about their fellow Moslems in GAZA... Hmmmm I wonder if they have it right in Egypt to turn their backs on these terrorists.

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5 votes

#2 - Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:50 PM EST

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cyregray

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krishna-167929

Artiea - again you show up and fill you posts with lies and nonsense. If you are going to make a statement back it up with some facts. Hamas is 'targetting the crossings'? Are you deliberately lieing or are you just that foolish?

Actaully-- i wonder if you arte the one who is deliberately lying-- ior are you that foolish? Hamas has in fact done exactly what Artie stated.

You're the one who's posting misinformation. And, btw, Falk is extremely one-sided-- he constantly condemns Israel-- often his accusations are without meit. But-- I don't think I've ever heard him criticize terrorism (either their terror against Israel-- or against other Palestinians:

Hamas prevents Muslim pilgrims from leaving Gaza

Role of Hamas in 'collective punishment'

Shocking testimonials about Hamas (video)

Nine killed and 95 hurt in Hamas-Fatah violence

Hamas and Fatah are a bigger threat to the Palestinians than Israel

IDF allows fleeing Fatah members into Israel

The list goes on and on (take a look at a few opf those stories-- seeded by various Newsviners-- from various sources.

In terms of your accusations against Artie's claim-- you are the one making misleading statements-- he is telling the truth:

Palestinian suicide bombers from Gaza drove three explosives-laden vehicles into the Kerem Shalom goods crossing on the border with Israel early on Saturday, detonating two of them, the Israeli military said.
Three bombers were killed in the blasts and 13 Israeli soldiers were wounded, three moderately and the rest lightly, the military said.

Hamas, the Islamic group that controls the Gaza Strip, claimed responsibility for the attack.

Link: Palestinian Suicide Bombers Attack Gaza Crossing

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#2.2 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:20 AM EST

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aRTieA

krishna-167929

Thank you for your timely and accurate response in my defense. The accusation against me was inflammatory but untruthful. It is apparent what the intent of the author is, but I will abide by the Newsvine COH and not reply.

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7 votes

#2.3 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:30 PM EST

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Eric Albert

Cryegray:

"Thankyou for your timely and accurate response" of Israel's crimes. Such denial, dismissive attitutdes are the very same criminal policies of Silence used against Jews in Lodz and Warsaw by Nazis, which is the parallel national, fascist element that marks the state of Zionism and Israel.

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4 votes

#2.4 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:33 PM EST

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worldknightboy

Comment #2.1 was inappropriate. It should be deleted. Please follow the CoH.

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5 votes

#2.5 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:24 PM EST

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krishna-167929

. Such denial,

Yo-- Erik!

The denial was of Cyregray's patently* false statement (see comment #2.1-- if it hasn't yet been deleted for being inflammatory).

He had tried to get us to believe something that is not factual-- namely, that Hamas has never attacked Gaza crossings, when in fact they had-- and then he ejaculated an egregious personal attack on a fellow Newsvine member-person of all people-- Artie-- for telling the truth. The denial was of an untrue statement.

DUH!

The fact of the matter is-- Hamas has indeed attacked the border crossing with Israel-- at least once (see link in comment #2.2-- if you'd like to stop your exceptionally tacky faux-neo-Stalinist rant for a minute-- and learn the true facts! :-)

* I'm not sure what the difference is between a patently false statement and...a regular 'ole garden variety false statement-- but since you seem to be in a nostalgia mood (longing for the "good 'ole days of the workers paradise under Stalin, are you?)-- and are engaging in an effluvium of big words that serve no apparent purpose other than to try to impress some of the "local yokels" (also, on occasion, commonly referred to as "readers of this column"), as it were-- I'd thought I'd try to enter into a similar zeitgeist (the mode of communication, not the movie).

How can you be two places at once-- when you're not anywhere at all?

So please-- cut the bull@!$%#!

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4 votes

#2.6 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:00 PM EST

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cyregray

First of all, it seems as if statements of the truth are 'inflammatory' nowadays. That's not surprising given the amount of denial I've seen on display here. This is the third seed artiea has shown up and plastered his nonsense on. I'm going to call anyone on that.

Here is the first, and here is the second. He/she repeating this act in 2.0 and rightly deserved the criticism and question I posed in 2.1. Krishna attempted to backup the statement with 'facts' but failed miserably in that the only article in that list he posted that has to do with Hamas and the crossings was published on Nov 29th 2008 - AFTER Israel imposed the blockade thus cutting off reporters access to gaza - so how the article got written, based on truth, is beyond me.

Btw Krishna, my comment was directed at the phrase 'Hamas is targetting the crossings' which in fact, has not been proven. You're links fail, utterly and only one of them is even on that topic.

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3 votes

#2.7 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:37 AM EST

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aRTieA

Israel has continued to supply fuel, food, medical supplies and other humanitarian assistance to the Gaza Strip, despite Hamas attacks precisely on those crossings Israel must use to transfer the supplies.

A spokesman for Islamic Hamas movement's armed wing, al-Qassam Brigades, vowed on Saturday to carry out more armed attacks against Israel "until breaking the Israeli blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip."

Abu O'baida told a news conference in Gaza that the armed attacks on Kerem Shalom crossing earlier Saturday "is the beginning of more attacks to break more than ten months of Israeliblockade imposed on the Gaza Strip."

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4 votes

#2.8 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:15 PM EST

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cyregray

First of all, your first link is to an Israeli government website... you'll get as much truth about the middle east there as you will about 9-11 from the Official Report. Believe what you want, I prefer to avoid lies and misrepresentations.

Your use of the second link suggests you missed this key point:

"The attack on Kerem Shalom is the beginning of breaking the siege," Abu O'baida said, adding that Hamas "is not interested in targeting Gaza crossings, and the targets will be always the Israeli soldiers."

So who's saying Hamas is 'targetting the crossings'? Because it obviously isn't Hamas or anyone neutral reporting from Gaza.

Artiea you have a right to believe whatever nonsense you wish, but if you come to my seeds with it, repeatedly, as you have done. I will call you on it every time. It's also indicative of either a psychological problem or deliberate obfuscation.

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2 votes

#2.9 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:49 PM EST

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krishna-167929

So who's saying Hamas is 'targetting the crossings'? Because it obviously isn't Hamas or anyone neutral reporting from Gaza.

Do you consider MSNBC to be some sort of front organization for Israel?

KEREM SHALOM, Israel - Hamas suicide bombers detonated two booby-trapped jeeps at an Israeli border crossing Saturday

How about Ashraf Khalil and Rushdi Abu Alouf in the LA Times?

Palestinian militants besieged a crucial Israel-Gaza border crossing today, wounding 16 Israeli soldiers in a barrage of mortar fire and car bombs.
Three Palestinian gunmen died in the attack on the Kerem Shalom crossing, which follows a string of smaller militant raids on the other entry points through which vital humanitarian supplies and fuel enter Gaza.

Hamas’ military wing, the Izzidin al-Qassam Brigade, claimed responsibility for the raid.

Border crossings have become a frequent recent target for militant raids, signaling a possible tactical shift.

Or...USA Today:

Hamas bombers attacked an Israeli-Gaza border crossing under the cover of fog Saturday, detonating two jeeps made to look like Israeli military vehicles and packed with hundreds of pounds of explosives.
However, Hamas signaled it is getting impatient. Saturday's attacks "are the beginning of the explosions that Hamas has warned of," said a senior Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri.
Israel and Egypt virtually sealed Gaza last summer after the violent Hamas takeover of the territory. Since then, only basic supplies have been allowed through Gaza's crossings.

I could go on and on with more links from reputable sources...but I wouldn't put it past you to argue with any reports that appear. (I would imagine that you would also claim that al-Jazeera is some sort of "Zionist front organization":

A suicide car-bomb attack on a border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip has left at least three Palestinian fighters dead and 13 Israeli soldiers wounded.
Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, claimed responsibility for the assault on Saturday.

Saturday's attack was the second such incident at a cargo crossing from Israel into the Gaza Strip in the last 10 days.

Just re-read your comment:

Artiea - again you show up and fill you posts with lies and nonsense. If you are going to make a statement back it up with some facts. Hamas is 'targetting the crossings'? Are you deliberately lieing or are you just that foolish?

Others can waste their time in this discussion here-- its obvious that you have no interest in the facts-- I am detracking.

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3 votes

#2.10 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:17 PM EST

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cyregray

You're right, you are detracking, or Hijacking the thread. You're making a point which I'm not arguing. You assume 'Targetting the crossings' involves attacking humanitarian aid, while I differentiate between that and hamas' fighters clashing with the Israeli Soldiers.

Your argument makes it seem AS IF hamas is preventing aid from being delievered, when that IS NOT the case. That is the point I am making.

Again this demonstrates various psychological manuevers that can be engaged in order to avoid acknowledging the truth... which is actually the topic of this seed.

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3 votes

#2.11 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:36 PM EST

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krishna-167929

Btw Krishna, my comment was directed at the phrase 'Hamas is targetting the crossings' which in fact, has not been proven.

Actually, they are:

Hamas's latest strategy seems to have been lifted from Mel Brooks's Sheriff Bart, who threatened to shoot himself in the head if the townspeople tried to kill him. That ploy could work just as well in Gaza as it did in "Blazing Saddles." The territory's ruling faction, while keeping up its rocket attacks on the town of Sderot and other southern Israeli civilian centers, is shifting the bulk of its firepower to border crossings and other entry points for goods on which Gazans depend.
The target � the crossing at the southern tip of Gaza, which presently serves as the main artery for goods and humanitarian assistance � was also chosen carefully, General Galant said. The attack followed a smaller-scale assault last week, in which two Israeli soldiers were killed as Palestinian Arabs attacked the main terminal for fuel delivery to Gaza from Israel, at Nahal Oz.

Of course, the real question is:

So why are Palestinian Arabs attacking their own supply lines? Wouldn't such a strategy intensify Gaza's humanitarian crisis? Wouldn't it end up hurting Palestinian Arab civilians? And wouldn't it make more sense to direct their firepower at Israeli civilians instead?
...when supplies to Gaza are cut off, Israel is automatically blamed, even if military attacks from inside Gaza are specifically directed at the sources of those supplies: an electric power plant in Ashkelon, Nahal Oz's oil depot, or the Kerem Shalom crossing

The real reason?

Now Hamas is betting that, by literally shooting itself in the foot, international sympathy for its plight will increase. Sadly, this is not a bad bet.
Link

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3 votes

#3 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:00 PM EST

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cyregray

See #2.11 - I'm not discussing this further as it is thoroughly OFF TOPIC.

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2 votes

#3.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:36 PM EST

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