Israel police arrest Mossad agent planting car bomb in Tel Aviv

thanx for the reminder, working 2nd shift i watch NCIS on line. i'll catch it this morning.

1. Mossad agents don't do that nor would it ever be revealed.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

2. Apparently the forger of this article doesn't watch NCIS and is unaware of Zeva.

On the one hand, I like NCIS and I watch it since my beloved Law & Order got shifted to another time slot. On the other hand, saying Zeva from NCIS is an indicator of Mossad is like saying James Bond is an indicator of MI6. (On that note, if NCIS is used as an indicator of Mossad, then what about Ari? The Mossad-trained double crosser that actively threatened and hindered US and Israeli antiterrorism efforts?)

(Also, I know that you're referencing NCIS in jest, but as a fellow NCIS fan I had to point out the obvious.)

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

and it is also impossible to prove a negative.

Great to see another NCIS fan (and yes it wan jest and meant to be taken as seriously as the seeded article)

I really wonder what the real story is all about...

Perhaps it's espionage darwinism? To, y'know, weed out the idiots of the program before they're put into an operation that gets valuable agents and/or the operation killed?

and it is also impossible to prove a negative.

And it is impossible to prove a positive. This is the pitfall of us debating events that take place on the other side of the world, since neither of us (well, not I at least) can go there and see for ourselves what happened. To be perfectly honest, unless I see it with my own eyes (or see some rather convincing video), I take everything I see in the news with a grain of salt. I don't believe or disbelieve until corroboration or proof to the contrary appears. I was merely pointing out that it's likely premature to dismiss this article from the start.

...it's likely premature to dismiss this article from the start.

Not for me it's premature to dismiss this article from the start. There is absolutely no way that Mossad would put an inexperienced trainee out in a public street with the probability of being observed in even a feigned act of espionage. The article either is pure fiction or at the very least misleading. The fact that it is said to have been taken from BBC News, which has the infamy of bias against Israel, cements that for me.

Completely serious question: How do you know what Mossad would or would not do? Personal experience with them? Or perhaps you were once a part of them? Or if you tell me, you'll have to kill me?

Once again, this is just another case of us speculating on something that's happening half a world away, about the methods and motives of an organization we know only in name (and through a TV show...). Assuming one thing or another without some justification isn't a good assumption to make. Remain skeptical, and try to be free of confirmation bias.

As the official spokesperson for the mossad...

You know damn well he isn't the official spokesperson for the mossad. Your comment is inflammatory and if you weren't the seeder you would have deleted your comment.

Perhaps it's espionage darwinism? To, y'know, weed out the idiots of the program before they're put into an operation that gets valuable agents and/or the operation killed?

Actually, Arad, I got quite a laugh out of your theory. As well, the pitfall you mention really is correct but should be expanded upon. I was once told never to believe anything you hear or read, and only half of what you see. But since then, due to the ability to edit and tamper with videotapes, I'm not even sure about them, and then with my own eyes it's very possible to be fooled by staged situations.

How do you know what Mossad would or would not do? Personal experience with them? Or perhaps you were once a part of them? Or if you tell me, you'll have to kill me?

That's really funny. It's not the first time on NV that someone suspected I was a Mossad agent. I consider that a real compliment, but if I really were, I sure as hell wouldn't be commenting on NV.

You know damn well he isn't the official spokesperson for the mossad. Your comment is inflammatory and if you weren't the seeder you would have deleted your comment.

While I tend not to agree with you usually, I do have to agree with you on this. Arteia generally seeds articles and does comment in favor of Israel, but I don't fault him for it, just as I don't fault others for seeding and commenting about their specific beliefs. Being critical of them is bad form, I'm afraid.

That's really funny. It's not the first time on NV that someone suspected I was a Mossad agent. I consider that a real compliment, but if I really were, I sure as hell wouldn't be commenting on NV.

If you really were Mossad, you'd just find where I live and give me some Jericho 941 dental work, right?

I do have to agree with you on this. Arteia generally seeds articles and does comment in favor of Israel, but I don't fault him for it, just as I don't fault others for seeding and commenting about their specific beliefs.

You are missing the fact that he belongs to the JDL which is a terrorist organization.

That...I did not know.

If you really were Mossad, you'd just find where I live and give me some Jericho 941 dental work, right?

I had no idea what a Jericho 941 was - had to google it. How did YOU know?

You are missing the fact that he belongs to the JDL which is a terrorist organization.

How do you know that? Did he say so, not in jest or to intimidate you? Arad, unless aRTieA seriously admitted that, consider it a false statement, just an attempt to prejudice his comments.

How do you know that? Did he say so, not in jest or to intimidate you? Arad, unless aRTieA seriously admitted that, consider it a false statement, just an attempt to prejudice his comments.

I have proof he is; a screen shot I saved from the JDL website with his name as a member, unless there are two people using the exact same spelling of his name,aRTieA , which is too unlikely to believe.

... just an attempt to prejudice his comments.

The prejudice in his comments speaks for itself.

The prejudice in his comments speaks for itself.

But of course there is no prejudice in YOUR comments. I admit to mine.

I had no idea what a Jericho 941 was - had to google it. How did YOU know?

I can neither confirm nor deny...

(Seriously though, I have a very, very good ability to remember obscure information.)

As for all this JDL talk...no comment.

As for all this JDL talk...no comment.

Why is that? The seed is about terrorism, and the JDL is a terrorist organization with members in the US.

I offer no comment because I have nothing to offer beyond what you and others have said. I'll simply wait and observe on that subject until I feel I have something more to say.

(Seriously though, I have a very, very good ability to remember obscure information.)

Then you would be a great partner to have in a game of Trivial Pursuit.

Then you would be a great partner to have in a game of Trivial Pursuit.

By obscure, I meant 'spotty and unreliable'. The things that I remember are both equally obscure and random. One moment I might remember the standard sidearm of a foreign intelligence service (though I hear they're getting a new model...), the next I might recall Richard Schaffert's rather impressive dogfight against numerous MiGs.

"Believe me, genocide IS the strategy. Israel is determined to have all of Palestine for itself."

A little confused aren't you. It is the pals who want to drive Israel into the sea and have said so many times. Israel just wants them to stop throwing rockets and stop trying to get suicide bombers in.

A little confused aren't you. It is the pals who want to drive Israel into the sea and have said so many times. Israel just wants them to stop throwing rockets and stop trying to get suicide bombers in.

The fact that they continue to bulldoze Palestinian homes to make way for settlers would kinda imply that they have expansionist plans.

Lately I've seen both the palestinians and israelis as two sides of the same coin, and they're more alike than either cares to admit.

Israel just wants them to stop throwing rockets and stop trying to get suicide bombers in.

Total bull@!$%#; Israel wants them gone so they can take the land.

liberated lady. in your personal preferences in your newsvine account there is a profanity filter. You get to choose your own de riguer.

Some people swear more than others while others not at all [I myself have vicious literary tourettes syndrome]

Rather than change the world I extend the invitation to simply change the way you experience it.

or not.

Believe me, genocide IS the strategy. Israel is determined to have all of Palestine for itself. The open-air concentration camp in Gaza is only temporary. All the people of Palestine will either have to leave or be killed. Israel is taking their land, and keeping it. That is the strategy; the tactics which support that strategy are limitless.

PDeuth. That must be a pseudonym for an Israeli Cabinet Minister in order for you to have that kind of knowledge. Now that you've spilled the beans, are you in hiding? Are you not afraid of getting caught by the evil Mossad? Don't worry, they don't kill traitors in Israel. Israel isn't run by sharia law.

I am new here and perhaps I haven't read the COH well enough to see if unrestricted obsenities are de riguer at Newsvine.

Not sure what yopu mean by being "de riguer". However, perhaps the main thing that's important to know is that the COH does not forbid the use of obscenities. And, in fact, the NV admon has speciifially mentioned that thay are OK to use. Some people use them a lot ( a bit too much, IMO-- and often use them inappropriately)-- others occasionally, some not at all.

Buldoze homes? You mean the ones built without permits, or are contrary to bylaws? That's done all over the world.

What proof is there of destruction of infrastructure, water purification and food processing other than by collateral damage when attacking rocket launchers or seeking out criminals?

Building roads that only Jews can use? Built perhaps since innocent people get shot at using roads that go through Palestinian occupied lands.

Taking shots at children for throwing rocks? You mean the teenagers who are as big and strong as adults who deliberately try to injure people and provoke? Rubber bullets, are they not?

Genocide is the official policy of the State of Israel? There is nothing I enjoy more than a debate moderated by a fair and neutral moderator who does not take sides or spout inflammatory remarks himself.

Faking suicide bombings and rocket attacks? Please provide proof of one such incident. Israel doesn't have to fake them, the Palestinians provide enough for anyone to see. Are you saying that the Israelis sneak into Gaza in order to fire rockets at Israel? That's the most ludicrous thing I've ever read. And can you tell me how it's even possible to fake a suicide bombing, remembering that it isn't Jews who glorify death.

There is nothing I enjoy more than a debate moderated by a fair and neutral moderator who does not take sides or spout inflammatory remarks himself.

That's pretty funny coming from some one who has krishna, alkimjia, worldknightboy (who was banned other many other IDs such as OSA, but slithered back under this new ID)and arTiea on their friends list LOL.

Who my friends are has nothing to do with my comment that fair and neutral moderation of a debate is my preference. Your attempt to smear me because my friends have different opinions than yours is illogical.

The point is I bet you never make similar comments on their boards, even though they violate the rules of board moderation much more than anything done here.

The point is I bet you never make similar comments on their boards, even though they violate the rules of board moderation much more than anything done here.

Then I guess you have never seen my comments that are probably supportive of your opinions. If I recall I even gave you a compliment at one time. I am capable of seeing two sides, not just one like so many of the commenters on NV. Here is a comment I made on another vine:

"By mistakes, you mean like the bombing of the USS Liberty? Even countries can make mistakes, right? Eric Albert must have softened his rhetoric to praise an Israeli judge. I absolutely agree that justice also requires fairness, just as I have stated on other vines that the settlers who burned a neighbouring Palestinian farmer's olive grove should be severely punished and made to make reparations, even to the extent that if they could not afford it collective punishment against the whole settlement should be required even though collective punishment is considered improper. I also said that Goldstein, who had killed Muslims at prayer in their mosque should have been hung by his gonads if he had not been killed on the spot, that the American Zionist who recently killed a couple of Palestinians and wounded some Israelis should be prosecuted, jailed, and the key thrown away, and that the Gazan student who was whisked away blindfolded and handcuffed to Gaza was unfairly treated and should be returned to her studies at Bethlehem U immediately. But even though I feel that way, I still resent the biased bigotry of so many persons posting on these sites, where such fairness is totally lacking. So although I usually find Eric Albert's choice of language offensive, I am impressed that he gave credit for fairness to an Israeli judge."

However, I don't think I've ever seen you either rebuke a comment by a seeder who shares your sentiments, or agree with anything on a seed posted by those you disagree with (as I have done, as just proven to you).

...even though they violate the rules of board moderation much more than anything done here.

Surely you must admit that that is just a matter of opinion.

Buzz, PD is simply calling a duck a duck.

Are you his Lawyer?

However, I don't think I've ever seen you either rebuke a comment by a seeder who shares your sentiments, or agree with anything on a seed posted by those you disagree with (as I have done, as just proven to you).

You haven't been to any of my boards then.

Either it was a real bomb and this is the spin, or the story is just pure crap.

I was wondering along the same lines. Plant a bomb and blame it on Palestinian "terrorists" or some such crap. It just doesn't make any sense to conduct such training in the setting described in the article. Furthermore, what is the point of learning how to plant car bombs? To resort to the same terrorist tactics we so vehemently claim to oppose?

There are people who just refuse to believe that a government agency could stoop so low as to either assasinate their opposition, or frame the opposition for terrorist attacks. These are the same people who believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before we invaded too. Im not putting this past the Israeli government. I truly believe this was an assasination attempt gone wrong, and the Mossad is trying to play it off like it was a training exercise. Caught red-handed.

Patria anyone? They blew up a ship full of Jewish holocaust refugees, along with many Jewish folks when they bombed the King David Hotel to further their political agenda. What makes anyone think certain entities in Israel would have any qualms about blowing up a car in Tel Aviv that would kill Jewish folks?

American Christian Evangelicals are the same Isabella. They are pushing for a new Mid East holocaust in our US foreign policy to satisfy their understanding of the bible. Thank God Bush and his neo cons are out of power.

Along those lines has anybody read "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet. I heard a NPR program on this association of congressmen and senators that seem to be moving in the shadows to guide our legislation and foreign policy. Wonder if they play a part in American policy towards Israel?

Good Question Kwame!

You wonder what else the terrorist Israeli mosad agents has done in the past and still planning to do in the future by framing the Palestinese killing their own jews and Israelis then divulging to the world falsely blaming the Palestinese for the attacks in which most cases never happened. You wonder why every war and all battles Israel never won and still cowardly losers. I rest my case. Salam.

Either it was a real bomb and this is the spin, or the story is just pure crap.

The way I look at it is that it is unlikely that if it were a Mossad agent, he would be planting a real bomb that could kill Israelis, possibly even his own kin. So I think your other alternative would be my guess.

Was he western looking? Jewish?

What do Jews look like?

Patria anyone? They blew up a ship full of Jewish holocaust refugees, along with many Jewish folks when they bombed the King David Hotel to further their political agenda. What makes anyone think certain entities in Israel would have any qualms about blowing up a car in Tel Aviv that would kill Jewish folks?

The Patria, as research will tell you, was a tragic accident. An attempt was made by the Haganah (not Mossad) to do just enough prevent it from sailing away from Israel, but they underestimated the strength of the explosives. The survivors were then allowed to stay in Israel.

At least 3 warnings were sent to the King David Hotel before it was blown up so the occupants would leave. The British paid no attention to them, so unfortunately the warnings were not circulated. This is similar to the multiple methods the IDF used to warn the Gazans about Cast Lead. Again, Mossad was not involved.

It's interesting how selectively you interpret and describe these events. Omissions of necessary facts and misinformation could misguide some readers.

OH gee buzz, I didn't realize that terrorism was ok if you just 'miscalculated' the force of the blast of if you told people you intended to commit acts of terrorism. Nice to see how you defend terrorism there buzzy bee. I'll bet you've got a perfectly good explanation for genocide, mass murder, theft and collective punishment too don't you buzzy boy? As long as Israel is committing them anyway.

Nice display of the old double standard there buzz.

"The Patria, as research will tell you, was a tragic accident"

Yes, yes of course, just like the U.S.S. Liberty was a tragic accident (cough, cough).

"It's interesting how selectively you interpret and describe these events"

I said they committed those acts to further their political agenda, and Jewish folks were killed in the process. That's a fact, nothing selective about it. They blew up hotels, theaters, an embassy, markets, trains, train stations, buses, cafes, homes, bookstores, etc, to further their political agenda. Jewish folks were killed in these terrorist attacks, along with Arabs and British citizens, and that's also a fact. Of course Mossad wasn't involved because they didn't exist, but those that created Mossad, the IDF, and the Israeli government were the same terrorists of Irgun, the Stern Gang, and Haganah, who were blowing crap up that resulted in the deaths of Jewish folks, and that's also a fact.

You aren't seriously going to bring up that whole "they warned them to get out" nonsense during Cast Lead, are you? Where exactly were they suppose to run to? How were they suppose to leave, with the borders sealed shut, and no fuel to fill their vehicles to flee? Where in all of Gaza were these people suppose to find safety? Those that did try to flee, what happened to them? They were mowed down. The fact is there was no safe place to flee to, and they knew it.

jdoyle,

You need to think rationally and be smarter. I think you better stop and just ignore Buzz becuz he brings no value discussions into equation. Buzz does not support Palesitne and does not want Arabs to own Palestine. Of course, I have proof and it is up to you to listen to me and yourself Or fall into traps set by krishna and people of his kind. Salam.

poster 5.13,

Excellent observation. You could never miss the patterns of Israel's hidden atrocities and cleansings since ever since terrorist "Israel" was created. Salam.

SPECTACULARARAB I know they are full of @!$%#; but its fun to show everyone how off base they are.

jdoyle,

Well, I'm glad to hear that you can transparently see through. Sorry to interferre with your fun. You just gave me a motivation to join the fun.

Thanks.

Smile.

You aren't seriously going to bring up that whole "they warned them to get out" nonsense during Cast Lead, are you? Where exactly were they suppose to run to?

Not to mention that often the calls to Gaza to leave come at 2 in the morning and people often have little or no time to wake the family and get out of the house.

jdoyle,

You need to think rationally and be smarter.

Most people might consider that an insult, but then it was one of your friends who said it.

...but its fun to show everyone how off base they are.

It is strictly a matter of the opinion of the readers as to who is off base. In any event I have enough class not to say that anyone is full of @!$%#.

Most people might consider that an insult, but then it was one of your friends who said it.

I need to think rationally and be smarter. Let me think and activate my smartness.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, Got it, It seems Buzz did not absorb the idea that jdoyle was apparently not offended and knows I have respect for his intelligent which I admire as well as I admire my supporters intelligences. If I'm not mistaken, Buzz is trying to tarnish my image by attempting to destroy my connections with my acquaintance posters.

Zionists and terrorist Israel still exist and still using schemes to frame the Arabs and non-arabs in which did not create holocaust. I rest my case. Salam.

Since both Israel and the pals do, what is your point?

Look to see if they get foreign aid from the USA.

Good point: its time to end all aid to Israel until they stop their massive human rights abuses.

Sadly, drudge, your comment #6 is closer to the truth than I would like, based on what I've read about the United States government's perspective.

While this incident may have been a training exercise, a Reuters blog linked to below notes that Arab sources blame the Mossad for at least two past car bombings.

http://blogs.reuters.com/archive/tag/mossad/

The supposedly "good guys" will not win the war on terrorism by becoming terrorists.

While there may have been past car bombings, the notion that the mossad would bomb their own people to create an incident is ludicrous . All Israel has to do is send one of their government officials to take a walk near al aqsa and they will get an "incident" that goes on for years.

Poster 6,

You nailed it wihout even writing a long paragrahps. Smile.

Good point: its time to end all aid to Israel until they stop their massive human rights abuses.

Then you would have to stop the aid to the Palestinians as well. I think it's pretty clear they could not support themselves without it.

How does one tell the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters?

The terrorists are wearing bomb-laden vests, or flying airplanes into buildings.

...or wearing IOF uniforms or working for Israel.

...or wearing IOF uniforms or working for Israel.

I'm not sure what you mean by IOF, but are you suggesting that any person keeping any kind of job, such as civil servants who could be cleaning streets or even collecting garbage, inclusive of persons of all faiths, are terrorists? Kind of a broad stroke, n'est ce pas?

IOF, Israeli Occupation Force.

One should remember that terrorism by the original definition, is by the government.

Terrorism: Government by terror.

What the heck does Mossad have for car bombs?

Maybe they can set off their own terrorist attack to justify more cracking down on Palestinians and more land theft.

I am sure JDoyle this has happened. I am sure many of the sectarian murders in Lebanon were done this way and for the same reasons.

What the heck does Mossad have for car bombs?

Maybe they can set off their own terrorist attack to justify more cracking down on Palestinians and more land theft.

But the Arabs stole the Jews land

But the Arabs stole the Jews land

Why do you think repeating your lie over and over again is funny?

Because his sense of humor requires antagonism.

Because his sense of humor requires antagonism.

Well what can be expected from someone like Krishna who thinks some terrorist groups are good?

Although I don't know why this vine was seeded now, because it isn't April Fools' Day, I also didn't know why the comments are not better managed by the moderator when they go so far off topic or contain personal attacks. So I took a look at the seeder's profile and when I saw that he tends to favour seeding articles that in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict are critical of Israel, even suggesting in one that Israel had responsibility in the Mumbai bombings, and even in the WTC tragedy, I realized that it is not likely that many of the remarks such as:

RALFIE YOU HAVE SPENT YOUR OWN TIME FEAR MONGERING ON THE WEB. IN FACT EVERYTHING COMING OUT OF YOUR POST IS RANTING AND RACE BAITING.

or:

Why do you think repeating your lie over and over again is funny?

would elicit a COH warning if not a deletion.

Why would the truth be a C of H violation?

It is a lie to say Arabs stole Israeli land

Doyle! guess who picorob really is?

Your very first three posts with your brand new and soon to be banned account were:

Some lying propaganda.

An inflammatory insult.

A long off topic bit of plagiarized spam with no attribution (that's what makes it plagiarized)

But flook, you're getting to be a bore so I'm not going to bother with our usual banter. I just sent the email and I'm going to have breakfast now.

Toodles till you get your new account.

Picorab ----- Haaaaa

It is the truth that Arabs stole Israelis land,considering they are occupying Judea and Samaria -Jewish land!!!

That is fiction; here are the facts:

"I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land - a constitutive event in Jewish history, almost like the Holocaust. But to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to. They did not have trains and trucks to deport entire populations. That kind of logistics did not exist until the 20th century. From this, in effect, the whole book was born: in the realization that Judaic society was not dispersed and was not exiled."

If the people was not exiled, are you saying that in fact the real descendants of the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah are the Palestinians?

"No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years. But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don't leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, 'the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.'"

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html

Doyle! guess who picorob really is?

Geeee...I wonder who ?

LOL

jdoyle, I read your comment 7.14 twice to be sure of what it said. In my opinion, the quotation says that the Palestinians who have lived on the lands well before partition are probably the descendants of the ancient Judaic people who originally occupied the lands now called Palestine. That would mean that the ones who came from the surrounding lands are the Arab Palestinians, but the descendants of the ancient Judaic people preceded them. That would support Krishna's view that the Arabs stole Jewish land, or perhaps it means that real Palestinians are Jewish. If in fact the real Palestinians are Jewish then because Palestinians profess to hate Jews and try to kill them, it also explains why they commit suicide, because they are killing Jews by doing so even if they don't take anyone else with them.

Krishna is full of @!$%#;and you are spinning like a top to cover for him.
Palestinians are the ancient Israelites who ended up converting to Islam.
The only thing most modern Israelis have in common to the biblical Israelites is their religion.
In the distant past when the Ottoman Empire took over the Middle east there might be some truth to that claim, but not in modern times.

Palestinians are the ancient Israelites who ended up converting to Islam.

Then when I said this I wasn't wrong, because the Palestinians, even if they converted to a different religion, still have Jewish blood:

If in fact the real Palestinians are Jewish then because Palestinians profess to hate Jews and try to kill them, it also explains why they commit suicide, because they are killing Jews by doing so even if they don't take anyone else with them.

This gives a whole new perspective to that loathsome expression: Self-hating Jew.

Then when I said this I wasn't wrong, because the Palestinians, even if they converted to a different religion, still have Jewish blood:

Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity, that is why there are Jews with blond hair and blue eye, Asian Jews and Black Jews.

Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity, that is why there are Jews with blond hair and blue eye, Asian Jews and Black Jews.

The very reason I questioned cyregrey with "What does a Jew look like?" when he asked:

Was he western looking? Jewish? or did he happen to look more like an arab?

Obviously I could include some dumb ass Canadians in this group.

Are you referring to me, Bob?

Buzz is bored. -------- Go back to Canada. You are not getting the respect you think you deserve in China.

What kind of statement is that? Does it have anything to do with the topic? Actually I am getting kind of bored, reading the same dribble for every article that mentions Israel: "land theft", "apartheid", "proto fascist state of Zionism", "ethnic cleansing", etc. etc.

Why would the truth be a C of H violation?

Because you addressed the person rather than what he wrote. In a sideways manner you called him a liar. Tyler already criticized me for doing that once.

In a sideways manner you called him a liar.

Krishna is a liar because no Arabs stole Zionist land.

Krishna is a liar because no Arabs stole Zionist land.

By Zionist I assume you mean to say Israeli. A person does not have to own land in Israel, or even be a resident, to be a Zionist, nor do they even have to be Jewish. But in fact you must be referring to the land belonging to Jews. In response to your comment, see a reference to Krishna's comment in my comment above #7.19

Krishna is a liar...

Once again, perhaps it is within the COH to call what someone says a lie, but it is not when you call the commenter a liar. That is a blatant personal attack. I don't expect the seeder to admit that or delete your comment, but NV should deal with it.

A person does not have to own land in Israel, or even be a resident, to be a Zionist, nor do they even have to be Jewish.

Exactly right for once: that is why when the anti Islamic crowd on newsvine accuses those who speak out against Zionists as being anti Semitic they are liars too.

Exactly right for once:

Well, I guess that's better than NEVER being right. Coming from you, it's a compliment.

4) I did a quick look and didn't find anything. Anyone else?